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When you book your place at the Festival, you'll be asked for your workshop preferences.

We recommend you select a mix of workshops on technique (eg: plotting), on genre (eg: writing for kids), and on the business side of things (eg: one of our "Meet the Industry" panels). Some 'workshops' will be highly interactive; others will be more in the nature of talks. All events will have Q&A opportunities.

 

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Workshop 1 (Saturday 10.40 - 11.40)

1A) Jeremy Sheldon (info) -  “Lovers and Buddies: 7 Steps to Romance and Friendship In Any Genre”
Jeremy's film credits include Best Laid Plans (2012), a drama starring Stephen Graham and Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje, and Montana, an action-thriller starring Lars Mikkelsen and Michelle Fairley. Jonathan Cape have published two works of Jeremy’s fiction, The Comfort Zone and The Smiling Affair (2005). He currently teaches on the MA in Creative Writing at Birkbeck, University of London and at the London Film Academy, and works in a development role for a number of producers, including Mark Foligno (The Kings Speech, Moon) and Deepak Sikka (Mandela’s Children).
It doesn’t matter whether our characters are lovers or friends, it’s a certainty they will need to traverse conflicts and failures, both in their relationships and within themselves as individuals, if their emotional bond is to be satisfying for the reader or audience. This session will outline the classic plot mechanisms that structure characters’ journeys to finding true love or friendship, but also examine the timeless emotional epiphanies such characters need to experience along the way. Using bespoke multimedia including specialized film clips, this session is directly useful to anyone looking to write Romantic Comedy, Romantic Drama or Commercial Women’s Fiction and any of its constituent sub-genres, but also to writers working in other genres: it doesn’t matter if you’re writing a thriller, a supernatural mystery story or an historical epic, it’s almost a certainty that your subplots will involve friendships, as well as comedy or romance...or both.

1B) Nelle Andrew and Robert Caskie  (info, info) - Path to Publication
Nelle Andrew and Robert Caskie from the PFD agency talk to aspiring writers about the path to publication: from submission letters, to agenting representation and to clarify the role of the agent, the submission process to editors and beyond. This is a guide for any author as to the what happens in the gap between writing the final page and seeing your novel on the shelf of a bookshop from the perspectives of a veteran agent with bestselling authors and a new agent building their list. They will discuss the market, the objective factors to why some books get taken on and published and not others and help illuminate this very shadowy time.
Nelle Andrew worked with Caroline Michel as her assistant for over three years. She was promoted in 2012 to an Agent and is looking to build her list. She is primarily interested in literary fiction/literary commercial cross-over fiction and women’s fiction.
Robert Caskie is both a Book and Journalism Agent at Peters Fraser and Dunlop. He represents an extensive list of journalists and writers of both fiction and non-fiction.

1C) Juliet Pickering (info) - Honing a one-minute, two-line pitch
Juliet joined Blake Friedmann in 2013 and her list includes Costa, Commonwealth, Orwell Prize, Sky Arts and Guardian First Book shortlisted authors. Her interests range from literary and well-written commercial fiction to mystery, crime and thrillers. She also represents many non-fiction writers. Prior to this, Juliet was an Associate Agent at A P Watt.

 

1D) Allie Spencer (info) - 4 Act Structure: What It Is and How It Can Help Your Novel Writing'
Award-winning writer Allie Spencer (alliespencer.com) is the author of five romantic comedy novels, an experienced creative writing tutor – and a graduate of the English Department here at York University. Her latest book, Save the Date! is published by Arrow and is out on 21st June this year.
Hollywood screen writers are obsessed with ‘Act Structure’, a formula of well-honed checks and balances that ensure a tightly-written, perfectly paced screenplay. This secret formula is also an essential in the novelist’s toolkit – and it will transform the way you approach your writing for good: good bye to soggy middles, farewell slow beginnings! This workshop reveals all you need to know to get your novel on the right structural track – and keep it there.

1E) Eve Seymour (info) -  Crime & Pacing
Eve is the author of four thrillers and probably best known for her central character, Paul Tallis, a former firearms officer who works as an off-the books spook for MI5. Her latest novel 'Wicked Game' was published in August 2013 by Cutting Edge Press. The second novel in the 'Hex' Series will be published early 2014. The Good Book Guide wrote, ‘Seymour is able to convey the excitement of the more straightforward brand of adventure thriller, while freighting in the subtle undertones of the more sophisticated novelists of the genre.’
Read any review of a thrilling crime novel and it will often say something like:  ‘Couldn’t put it down.  Kept reading until my eyes bled.’  What the critic really means is that the novel is a page-turner, in other words it has excellent pace.  To discover the tricks of the trade and how to prevent your readers from going into snooze time, send in a scene and let me show you how to put your work through its paces.* 
*  This is not obligatory.  Writers are welcome whether they submit work or not

1F) Debi Alper - Prose Microscope: Which Words? What Order?
Debi is the author of gritty, funny, contemporary novels with Orion - and a hugely respected tutor and book doctor with the Writers' Workshop.
Writing a novel is about choosing the best words and putting them into the best order. Easy, right? But which words do you choose? And how do you decide when and where to use them? This workshop covers all aspects of prose style: vocabulary, sentence construction, point of view, when to show or tell, how to use dialogue to good effect and much more. This practical workshop will help you to explore how sound, rhythm, words, images and sentence structure can make your storytelling come more alive than you thought possible.
 

 

What's Your Genre? (Saturday 11.50 - 12.50)

You don't need to pre-book for these panel shows - just turn up on the day to the one that takes your fancy. And we've got plenty for you to get your gnashers into:

  • Literary Fiction
  • Science Fiction/Fantasy
  • Children's/Young Adult
  • Women's Fiction
  • Historical Fiction 
  • Crime/Thriller
  • Script Writing with Jeremy Sheldon and Jon Spira
 

Workshop 2 (Saturday 15.10 - 16.10)

2A) Debi Alper (info) - Psychic Distance: Getting inside your characters' heads
Debi is the author of gritty, funny, contemporary novels with Orion - and a hugely respected tutor and book doctor with the Writers' Workshop.
How deep do you (and therefore your reader) go into the heads of your characters?  Are you able to move in and out as necessary?  Learning how to use the full spectrum of Psychic Distance will bring your writing to life.  It will also help you to understand show not tell, POV and much more.  In previous workshops, Psychic Distance has been responsible for more lightbulb moments than any other single theory and is a vital tool for an author

2B) Zoe King (info) - The Author as a Brand
Zoe spent six happy years at the Darley Anderson Literary TV and Film Agency as an associate agent managing bestselling and emerging writers. After moving on to the Christopher Little Agency She joined Neil, Lucy and Anouska to establish The Blair Partnership.As the main submissions handler at The Blair Partnership, Zoe is inspired daily by the feeling that the next literary and entertainment sensation is right around the corner.
The Blair Agency focus not only on finding great authors and great work but also on brand development as part of their service. A process that matters whether you're conventionally published or self-published.

2C) Andrew Wille (info) - Editing For Writers
Andrew was senior editor at Little, Brown UK, acquiring, editing, and publishing critically acclaimed and award-winning works of fiction and nonfiction. He has freelanced for many of the industry’s most notable imprints, worked as a book doctor, and taught for Naropa University’s Jack Kerouac School of Disembodied Poetics and Falmouth University’s MA in Professional Writing. More info at www.wille.org.
Led by a veteran editor, this workshop explains how publishers approach the processes of structural editing, copyediting, and proofreading, and offers a wide variety of tips on revising and editing for writers preparing to submit their work to publishers as well as those who’re interested in self-publishing.

2D) Julie Cohen (info) - Character
Award-winning novelist Julie Cohen has written seventeen novels for a variety of publishers, under her own name and pseudonyms, encompassing women's fiction, romance and erotica. Her work has been translated into fifteen languages. Her latest novel is DEAR THING, published by Transworld. Julie is also an experienced teacher and if you are naughty, she will make you write lines on the chalkboard
This workshop guarantees that you will enter the room with nothing more than paper and a pen…and come away with a fully-fledged character ready to be written into a story. Julie takes you step-by-step through different techniques of creating character in a very hands-on workshop. A Festival of Writing favourite, back by popular demand. 

2E) Eve Seymour and Broo Doherty of Wade & Doherty (info, info) - The author/agent relationship
Broo has worked in publishing for the last twenty years. She started as a production assistant at Victor Gollancz, then moved to Hodder and Stoughton for a brief period, before joining Transworld as an editor for the Bantam Press imprint. Wade & Doherty Literary Agency was founded in 2001. They handle fiction and non-fiction for adults and young adults. Eve is the author of four thrillers. Her latest novel 'Wicked Game' was published in August 2013 by Cutting Edge Press. The second novel in the 'Hex' Series will be published early 2014.
The author/agent relationship is as important and enduring as a terrific marriage so how does it work, what does each party expect from the other and what are the ingredients for a fine romance?  Come and find out.

2F) Meet The Industry
Want to know how to choose an agent? Or write a covering letter or synopsis? Or understand rejection letters? And do you want to know what agents and editors are looking for? Of course you do! So come and ask them.
Panel to include: David Haviland, Carrie Kania, Jenny Savill, Camilla Wray, and Hellie Ogden.

2G)Julia Churchill and Penny Holroyde - How to elevate your submission from slushpile hell to slushpile heaven
Julia Churchill is an agent with A M Heath, where she represents YA and children’s book writers. Penny Holroyde is an agent with the Caroline Sheldon Literary Agency. She has worked in publishing for over 15 years in both the UK and the US.
All agents hate the expression ‘slush pile’ but many rely on it for their daily bread. However, with many agents receiving between 20 and 50 submissions every single day how can you make yours stand out and get into the right hands? There is a lot of information for writers on the internet but hear it from the horses’ mouths in this workshop. A vital list of common transgressions and real life examples of good, and bad submissions. How a writer submits is a crucial part of the process. Never get it wrong again.

 

Workshop 3 (Saturday 16.40 - 17.40)

3A) Gary Gibson (info) - The SF master class - What the genre is and what it needs from you
Gary has published seven novels to date. Gibson's first novel, the ambitious Angel Stations, was published in 2004. His latest book, The Thousand Emperors, a sequel to the science fiction thriller Final Days, was published in 2012, with a new volume in his Shoal Sequence, called Marauder, due in 2013.
Gary talks about SF. What it is - and what it wants from you.

3B) Jo Unwin (info) - Is your book a film?
JO UNWIN is a Literary Agent who has written for both TV and film, from Byker Grove and My Parents are Aliens to Smack the Pony.  From 2005-2008 she worked at Aardman Features as their film scout, meeting publishers and rights agents on the hunt for books that would lend themselves to adaptation by the UK's most successful animation company.
Adaptation is a tempting prospect to a lot of writers considering having a go at screenwriting. But how interchangeable are the two formats? Which stories make the best screenplays? Is adaptation as simple as it seems? What is the difference in narrative structure between a novel and a screenplay? Jon Spira will demystify the process and arm you with the insight you need to decide whether or not your story belongs on the screen. 

3C) Nelle Andrew (info) - Characterisation
Nelle Andrew is an agent at PFD. Nelle did a masters in Creative Writing at Trinity College Dublin and then moved back to London in 2007 where she almost immediately began working in publishing. After working at Pan Macmillan she moved to work at a literary agency while also writing and pursuing a career as a novelist on the side.The Legacy of Eden is her first novel, published under the name Nelle Davy. She has finished writing a second novel based on the civil rights movement in Louisiana in 1963.
This workshop will focus on teaching aspiring authors the tools to character development. For nearly all novels the success in their story relies on the keen depiction and thorough development of the characters. This workshop will help any aspiring writer learn the importance and tools needed to create believable and inspiring characters that will be the perfect vehicle for your plot and how through your characters, your plot will unfold in unexpected and even more positive ways.

3D) Anastasia Parkes (info) - 'Behind closed doors': Writing Erotica
Anastasia Parkes started writing erotica 20 years ago when she was rejected by Mills and Boon because her sex scenes were too explicit. Under the pseudonym Primula Bond she has published numerous short stories, novellas and novels for various publishers and magazines, The Silver Chain, the first in the Unbreakable Trilogy, was recently published by Harper Collins. She also provides critiques on the work of budding new erotica writers.
This workshop will focus on the techniques required to create any fiction but with an emphasis on the particular and often misunderstood genre of erotica. She aims to show how well written erotica can be adventurous without being brutal, believable while contained within the realms of fantasy, how to use the story-telling arc of crescendo, climax and resolution to build up sexual tension, and how to write a good sex scene.  Some colourful examples from literature as well as from the 'Literary Review Bad Sex in Fiction Awards' will be quoted, so the humorous, open-minded participants are asked to leave their inhibitions at the door when they try their hand at one or two erotica-writing exercises.

3E) Penny Holroyde & Tommy Donbavand (info, info) - Children's masterclass: 'What if Stephen King wrote Scooby Doo?’
Penny Holroyde is a children's literary agent at Caroline Sheldon. Tommy is the author of the popular 13-book Scream Street series for 7 to 10 year olds, published by Walker Books in the UK and Candlewick Press in the US.  His other books include Zombie!, Wolf and Uniform (winner of the Hackney Short Novel Award) for Barrington Stoke, Boredom Busters and Quick Fixes For Kids’ Parties (How To Books), and Making A Drama Out Of A Crisis (Network Continuum).
Writing for children and young adults is a specialised area and Tommy and Penny have loads of experience in their respective fields of writing and agenting for children. This masterclass will identify the common pitfalls and help you shape your ideas and submissions so that they have the best chance of getting noticed. We’ll also give you tips on word count, genre, characterisation, humour, plot, structure and language, as well as giving an overview of this capricious market and what publishers are looking for. Hangovers are not advisable at this session. We will be giving you exercises in exposition, plot and characterisation and you can even read work out loud for an on-the-spot analysis. Come prepared!

3F) Meet The Industry
Want to know how to choose an agent? Or write a covering letter or synopsis? Or understand rejection letters? And do you want to know what agents and editors are looking for? Of course you do! So come and ask them.

Panel to include: Broo Doherty, Francesca Main, Sallyanne Sweeney, and Clare Wallace.

 

Workshop 4 (Sunday 10.10 - 11.10)

4A) Lorella Belli (info) - How to attract the attention of an agent and make your submission stand out: dos and donts
Lorella represents many bestselling and award-winning authors, most of them were first timers when she took them on.

This popular workshop talks you through the realities of what agents are looking for - and how to deliver it.

4B) Anastasia Parkes (info) - 'In a nutshell': Writing Short Stories
Anastasia Parkes is the author of numerous erotic short stories, novellas and novels and has recently published a slim volume of literary stories on Amazon.  She is also an opinionated freelance writer of 'human interest' features, tackling such thorny topics as single parenthood and euthanasia with honesty and humour. When not absorbed in adapting such facts into fiction she offers robust critiques on the manuscripts of brave fledgling writers.
In this workshop Anastasia focuses on where to find and record inspiration and how to mix it up with observation and imagination. She explains techniques such as dialogue and economy of expression to build character and situation while telescoping their pivotal story into 6000-odd words. Finally she will be illustrating her advice with the aid of some exercises.

4C) Eve Seymour (info) - Tension 
Eve is the author of four thrillers and probably best known for her central character, Paul Tallis, a former firearms officer who works as an off-the books spook for MI5. Her latest novel 'Wicked Game' was published in August 2013 by Cutting Edge Press. The second novel in the 'Hex' Series will be published early 2014. The Good Book Guide wrote, ‘Seymour is able to convey the excitement of the more straightforward brand of adventure thriller, while freighting in the subtle undertones of the more sophisticated novelists of the genre.’
Baffled by ‘beats’ in a scene?  Do you understand how to ‘up the ante’ for your characters?  Do you know what ‘skimming the narrative’ means?  These are just a few questions relating to tension, or lack of it and, if a novel lacks tension, it’s unlikely to grab an agent or publisher.  To explore how to create and maintain tension in your novel, send in a scene for a work-out.* 
*  This is not obligatory.  Writers are welcome whether they submit work or not.

4D) Allie Spencer (info) - 'The Joy of Subtext: What it is; Why it Matters; and How it can Work for you'
Award-winning writer Allie Spencer (alliespencer.com) is the author of five romantic comedy novels, an experienced creative writing tutor – and a graduate of the English Department here at York University. Her latest book, Save the Date! is published by Arrow and is out on 21st June this year.
Subtext is a technique frequently used by actors and directors to enhance theatrical performance – but it will also give added dimension and depth to your writing This interactive workshop will give you all the information you need to understand the power of subtext, how to use it to its best advantage and how it will help you overcome the dreaded ‘show not tell’ rule once and for all.  

4E) Jeremy Sheldon ( info) - “Strong Storytelling: Who Said ‘Plot’ and ‘Character’ Were 2 Different Things?”
Jeremy's film credits include Best Laid Plans (2012), a drama starring Stephen Graham and Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje, and Montana, an action-thriller starring Lars Mikkelsen and Michelle Fairley. Jonathan Cape have published two works of Jeremy’s fiction, The Comfort Zone and The Smiling Affair (2005). He currently teaches on the MA in Creative Writing at Birkbeck, University of London and at the London Film Academy, and works in a development role for a number of producers, including Mark Foligno (The Kings Speech, Moon) and Deepak Sikka (Mandela’s Children).
Agents, publishers and producers are continually telling us they’re looking for “strong stories”, but what do they really mean? Overriding an astonishingly common assumption that a friction exists between ‘plot’ and ‘character’, this session will outline how the two work in indivisible combination in the strongest stories. Using a range of approaches including bespoke multimedia to visualize its key points, the session is relevant to writers of all levels in all genres and forms.

4F) Meet The Industry
Want to know how to choose an agent? Or write a covering letter or synopsis? Or understand rejection letters? And do you want to know what agents and editors are looking for? Of course you do! So come and ask them.
Panel to include: Madeleine Milburn, Juliet Mushens, James Wills and Suzie Doore.

 

Workshop 5 (Sunday 11.40 - 12.40)

5A) Emma Darwin (info) - Showing & Telling - This sessions has been cancelled.
Emma is that rare thing: an acclaimed literary author who's graced the bestseller lists. Her historical fiction has been shortlisted and longlisted for numerous prizes and sold extensively overseas.
You were told “Show don’t Tell”, but both Showing and Telling are much more exciting and powerful tools than that, and learning to use them is probably the single biggest thing you can do to improve your writing. This practical workshop will explore what makes Telling Tell-y, what makes Showing Show-y, and how to use both to make your storytelling in fiction and non-fiction more vivid and compelling than ever.
This sessions has been cancelled.

5B) Madeleine Milburn of the Madeleine Milburn Literary Agency (info) - Stunning Synopses, Cover Letters & Rejection Letters
Literary Agent, Madeleine Milburn, was born in London. Since graduating from the University of St Andrews with a degree in English Literature and Language in 2004, Madeleine has worked for the independent publishing company Trojan Books in Berlin and the oldest literary agency in the UK, A P Watt Ltd, where she specialised in foreign rights.  Prior to having her own Agency, Madeleine was the Head of Rights and a Literary Agent at the Darley Anderson Literary, TV & Film Agency where she built a strong list of authors over five years.
Don't let your work get rejected for the dumb stuff. Make sure your synopsis is strong, your covering letter (query letter) is up to scratch. Also a word on how to decode a rejection letter.

5C) Andrew Wille (Info) - How to Write a Sentence
Andrew was senior editor at Little, Brown UK, acquiring, editing, and publishing critically acclaimed and award-winning works of fiction and nonfiction. He has freelanced for many of the industry’s most notable imprints, worked as a book doctor, and taught for Naropa University’s Jack Kerouac School of Disembodied Poetics and Falmouth University’s MA in Professional Writing. More info at www.wille.org.
You can have a great idea for a book, but to do it justice you need to write good sentences: sentences that bring your work to life, sentences that invite the reader in. This workshop will look at ways to improve your prose style through understanding sentence structure and the important roles of different parts of speech.

5D)Julie Cohen (info) - Learning Story Structure from Pixar Films
Award-winning novelist Julie Cohen has written seventeen novels for a variety of publishers, under her own name and pseudonyms, encompassing women's fiction, romance and erotica. Her work has been translated into fifteen languages. Her latest novel is DEAR THING, published by Transworld. Julie is also an experienced teacher and if you are naughty, she will make you write lines on the chalkboard.
Disney Pixar films are fun. They're also emotional, action-packed, and exquisitely structured. In this workshop Julie will talk about what these films can teach us about three-act structure, narrative economy, motifs, emotional arcs, plot and subplot. If you've ever enjoyed Finding Nemo, Up, or The Incredibles—or been forced to watch them by your kids—you'll learn a lot from this workshop.

5E) Meet The Industry
Want to know how to choose an agent? Or write a covering letter or synopsis? Or understand rejection letters? And do you want to know what agents and editors are looking for? Of course you do! So come and ask them.

Panel to include: Piers Blofeld, Jo Unwin, Penny Holroyde, and Chris Wellbelove.

5F) Christine Wilks, What are playable stories and how to start writing them
Christine is an award-winning writer and creator of electronic literature and playable media for the web and digital devices. Her work is published and exhibited internationally, appearing in anthologies of electronic literature, online journals, conferences, festivals and live arts events. See her site http://www.crissxross.net/
Computers and the internet have given birth to a new literary genre - Electronic Literature, or E-Lit for short. The genre covers a wide range of forms, from digital poetry to literary games and playable stories. The one thing all E-Lit works have in common is that they're created on a computer and meant to be read using a computer or mobile device. Many are freely accessible to read or play on the internet. In this workshop, we'll look at some examples of e-lit, playable stories that I've created, and how you might go about starting to write your own.

 

Workshop 6 (Sunday 14.00 - 15.00)

6A) Debi Alper (info) - What's that you said?
Debi is the author of gritty, funny, contemporary novels with Orion - and a hugely respected tutor and book doctor with the Writers' Workshop.
Is your dialogue convincing? Do your characters all have unique voices? Are you using prose to break up the dialogue? Do we always know who’s speaking? Are you using lots of emotive dialogue tags? Or maybe you're using dialogue to have characters tell each other things that you should have shown us.

This workshop will show you how to handle this vital element of your novel.

6B) Dave Gaughran (info) - Should I Self-Publish?
David is the author of the South American historical adventure A Storm Hits Valparaiso and the short stories If You Go Into The Woods and Transfection as well as the popular self-publishing guide Let’s Get Digital: How To Self-Publish, And Why You Should. He runs the popular publishing blog Let’s Get Digital and the history site South Americana, has a regular column at Indie Reader, and his work has been featured in the Huffington Post, the Sunday Times, and the Irish Time
David Gaughran - author, blogger, self-publisher - will help you answer a question that many writers are asking themselves: should I self-publish?
He goes through the pros and cons of self-publishing, and deals with some of the many myths that writers are subjected to. He also warns about the sharks in the self-publishing world and teaches you how to avoid them. Finally, he explains his view that even if you are focused on the traditional path, it would benefit you to self-publish something, and that some of the most successful writers today are taking a hybrid approach.

6C) Gary Gibson (info) - The Art of Plotting
Gary has published seven novels to date. Gibson's first novel, the ambitious Angel Stations, was published in 2004. His latest book, The Thousand Emperors, a sequel to the science fiction thriller Final Days, was published in 2012, with a new volume in his Shoal Sequence, called Marauder, due in 2013.
All good books need a strong story - yet plotting out a novel is perhaps the thing that even professional authors find the hardest thing to get right. Gary has some wonderful tips and techniques. An essential workshop.

6D) Tommy Donbavand (info) - challenges of writing for reluctant reader boys (topics and genres to consider and avoid, characters boys will identify with, structuring a plot to keep reluctant readers turning the pages

Tommy is the author of the popular 13-book Scream Street series for 7 to 10 year olds, published by Walker Books in the UK and Candlewick Press in the US.  His other books include Zombie!, Wolf and Uniform (winner of the Hackney Short Novel Award) for Barrington Stoke, Boredom Busters and Quick Fixes For Kids’ Parties (How To Books), and Making A Drama Out Of A Crisis (Network Continuum).

6E) Jo Unwin (info) - What's the point?
JO UNWIN is a Literary Agent who has written for both TV and film, from Byker Grove and My Parents are Aliens to Smack the Pony.  From 2005-2008 she worked at Aardman Features as their film scout, meeting publishers and rights agents on the hunt for books that would lend themselves to adaptation by the UK's most successful animation company.
The notion of theme and message is perhaps the most important aspect of any creatively or critically successful literary work. For screenwriting, it is essential. In this workshop, Jon Spira uses film to demonstrate how theme works, why it is so important and how to strengthen your writing through engaging properly with the concept.


Speakers / talks are subject to change, but we do aim to replace like with like - or (if you prefer) rebook you for a different event.